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Title: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: forum admin on September 09, 2009, 07:16:08 AM
The recruitment industry already turns over 27bn a year, and the UK Government says the vast majority of agencies are honest and responsible.

Based in Stirling, Contract Scotland is one such agency with nothing to hide. It specialises in getting the right clients into the right jobs in civil engineering and construction. But when director Emma Watts goes online to see what some of her less scrupulous competitors are up to, it's not hard to find cause for concern. "You'll see ... jobs advertised in the sector that we're in," she said. "I could go through half of those and tell you that they're purely manufactured. They don't exist at all."

One former recruitment agency employee called Todd left the industry in disgust at such rogue tactics. He said at the end of each working day he'd put a series of adverts on recruiting websites for jobs that weren't there. "You'd come in in the morning and there'd be 30 or 40 CVs waiting for you ... you'd get their CVs into the database," he said. "You were told 'don't get caught doing that'." Todd left the industry because he found these practices so underhand. He said: "I felt very much like I was manipulating people. "I'd gained their trust and obviously they were looking for something from you that you're saying you're going to give them and you have no intention - basically it's a big fat lie."

Another source who still works in the industry and wants to remain anonymous told us it was a far from unusual practice. But why advertise non-existent jobs? "It would be for the purpose of attracting great candidates who they could then 'sell on' speculatively to a number of clients," he said. And what of the people who'd applied in good faith for a job that wasn't there? "They go into a black hole," he said. "They'd probably receive an auto-generated e-mail to say thank you for your application, then never hear anything again."

Another trick is for one agency to muscle in on another's business by simply stealing its job adverts. Ian Sinclair, a Greenock-based IT contractor who gets much of his work through agencies, said that can be easy to spot as some spelling mistakes are simply cut and pasted from one advert to the next. But he was also the victim of another scam. He said: "One agency was trying to recruit me for a job - when I was already in the post doing the job they were trying to recruit me for." Ian told them there was no vacancy.

Fake jobs and stolen adverts are just two of the sharp practices uncovered by The Investigation. They may appear to be victimless scams but industry professionals warn they can shatter a job hunter's already fragile confidence. Charlie is trying to find a job after leaving her previous post in human relations and has copied her CV to several agencies. After several months on the market she's actually growing more hopeful. But she says some agencies didn't help.

'Reputable job'

"Two months ago things were pretty desperate and my confidence was extremely low," she said. "I think I did spend a couple of weeks just not really knowing what I was going to do. "I've had to phone, and then I've had to phone again, and then I've had to e-mail again. "When I do get through on a call they transfer me to somebody else, who then transfers me to somebody else. "I seem to go round in a circle."

So who's looking out for the rogue recruiters? The agency industry has a trade body called the Recruitment and Employment Confederation (REC). It offers training and sets standards. But while the REC has the power to expel miscreant members, agencies don't need to join in the first place.

'Not fair'

The Department of Business, Enterprise and Regulatory Reform oversees the industry from Whitehall. It has just 24 government inspectors to police more than 16,000 agencies across the UK. But Minister of State for Employment Relations Pat McFadden rejected any suggestion that may be inadequate. "Most agencies do a good, reputable job," he said. "But where there are rogue agencies we don't want to see that for two very good reasons. "It's unfair on the workers involved to be exploited at work. It's also not fair on the other, reputable agencies that are out there. "People don't want to be facing competition that's illegal."


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on September 09, 2009, 08:27:29 AM
I think I've had direct experience of this. I remember being in the job centre a few years ago when I was unemployed and finding lots of jobs advertised on the "system" with a particular recruitment agency. I printed the ones off that I liked the sound of and when I called the agency they were eager for me to go in and register. When I did I was told that there was "nothing at the moment" but they'd be in touch. I assumed this meant that they were advertising fictional jobs purely to get people to register and then hoping to get them into a job later. Not good.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on September 11, 2009, 03:14:34 PM
This is a cheap tactic if true. I know the recruitment industry is an extremely competitive market but these kind of underhand tactics are on a par in my opinion with candidates lying on their resumes. It should be outlawed.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on September 12, 2009, 11:06:28 AM
I agree but how? Most people wanting to register with an agency wouldn't be aware of the REC. Whether that employment agency was a member or not. I think most people would probably think that they somehow missed the boat so they register hoping to get something else. It's tricky.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: feeleep on July 31, 2010, 10:37:55 PM
I could name more than one agency in my home town who are guilty of this. Ultimately it leads to a "consultant" telling a pack of lies to a candidate when they phone to chase the position they were almost promised. It's happened to me several times and I'm becoming bitter and vengeful.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: forum admin on August 03, 2010, 04:19:07 PM
Hey there welcome to the forums here at HireScores.com.

I understand what you mean about feeling bitter but are you registered with us?

Forgive the shameless plug but why not score and review these agencies you've had negative dealings with?

Thanks to HireScores.com these bad experiences need no longer go un-mentioned.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on August 03, 2010, 05:07:27 PM
Hey Feeleep welcome here. I'm Robin  :).


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on August 06, 2010, 01:28:15 PM
Welcome Feeleep.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on December 10, 2010, 10:33:02 AM
I think I've had direct experience of this. I remember being in the job centre a few years ago when I was unemployed and finding lots of jobs advertised on the "system" with a particular recruitment agency. I printed the ones off that I liked the sound of and when I called the agency they were eager for me to go in and register. When I did I was told that there was "nothing at the moment" but they'd be in touch. I assumed this meant that they were advertising fictional jobs purely to get people to register and then hoping to get them into a job later. Not good.

It is about time the JOB CENTRE banned recruitment agencies from using their system. 


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on December 10, 2010, 10:36:39 AM
This is a cheap tactic if true. I know the recruitment industry is an extremely competitive market but these kind of underhand tactics are on a par in my opinion with candidates lying on their resumes. It should be outlawed.

I don't give a flying sh*t that the recruitment industry is "competitive"   They are like seagulls at a rubbish tip all fighting over scraps!
The sooner it becomes illegal to advertise fake vacancies and people are put in JAIL the better.

As for people lying on their CV's  that is not an excuse for agencies to behave the way they do.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on December 10, 2010, 10:39:01 AM
I could name more than one agency in my home town who are guilty of this. Ultimately it leads to a "consultant" telling a pack of lies to a candidate when they phone to chase the position they were almost promised. It's happened to me several times and I'm becoming bitter and vengeful.

I know how you feel.

As admin suggests, post your views about the agencies and e mail the review  link to them. 


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: JCFW on April 06, 2011, 11:01:12 AM
So glad to have found this forum!  Read the following:-

http://www.contractoruk.com/agencies/recruitment_agency_tricks.html

My OH has had all this done to him and more - it's an absolute scandal.  They are shamelessly playing with lives in an era of economic depression when lots of recently unemployed people are desperately looking for work.  And we are obviously not talking about knock-at-the-factory-gate "start on Monday" jobs - these are experienced executives, who have been working for so long that they are relatively naive about the snake oil salesmen working in recruitment.  My highly-skilled OH has NEVER once had an agency return to him if he hasn't got a job through them - "we'll keep you on file".  Yeah, right.   >:(


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: bsforrester80 on April 13, 2011, 01:26:10 PM
This is a cheap tactic if true. I know the recruitment industry is an extremely competitive market but these kind of underhand tactics are on a par in my opinion with candidates lying on their resumes. It should be outlawed.

I agree and it is what makes job hunting so hard - you are told how any mistakes on your CV or a wrong answer in an interview could cost you the job yet the people on the other side are telling down right lies. It is a matter of trust and I sympahise with job hunters who feel disillusioned.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on April 14, 2011, 12:54:46 PM
Let's have the article here It is that good!

Top 10 tricks used by recruitment agencies!
Many unwary contractors, and even some very wary ones, have been caught out by some very devious agency tricks. To be forewarned is to be forearmed though. Here are ten agency tricks that you should look out for.

1. They phone you up saying that they have several jobs that you are suitable for. They need you, however, first to supply them with references. Is this true? No, it isn't. They do not have any jobs for you. They are just trying to find out people who take on contractors and want to know the names and phone numbers of your old bosses.

2. They'll say, "Who did you work for at BT. Was it Graham Sutherland"? "No", you say. "It was John Salisbury". Now the agent has a contact at your old firm that they can call up to ask him if he is looking for any contractors.

3. They post jobs on job boards that don't exist. They are only trying to get themselves a number of extra CVs to increase their own database. When you send in your CV, they'll say that the job is gone.

4. They'll ask you, "Tell us what companies that your CV has already been sent out to, so that we don't make the mistake of sending your CV there again, which could cost you a job interview". If you tell them, then they now know what companies are looking for contractors, and they can then put some other candidates up in opposition to you. Don't think they wouldn't.

5. When they are asking you what your rate for the job is they might say, "What's your bottom line? What's the least that you would take to get a job? Obviously we will try to get as much as we can for you". No they won't. Your bottom line now becomes the most you'll get for any job. They'll still try and get as much as they can from the client, but they'll keep any extra they can get for themselves. How many people have actually heard from an agent "We've managed to get you a higher rate than you were asking for?"

6. They'll put a clause in your contract that they and the client company can terminate you with a month's (or a week's) notice, but that you have no notice period with them.

7. If you get a job interview through them, they'll tell you that they'll call you back when they have any news. What they mean is that if there is good news, they will be on the line pronto to try and get you to sign up straight away in case you take another job. If it's bad news, they won't call you, and they'll be 'not around' when you call in. They'll give you the bad news eventually but only after several attempts to get hold of them.

8. When you don't get the job for an interview that they sent you to, they'll say they'll look for other jobs for you, but they won't. They'll quietly drop you. They don't like people who don't pass interviews for them.

9. They tell you that if you introduce them to another contractor that they get a job for, they'll pay you 250 or 500 quid. They will if you find out about it. They won't contact you, unless you call up asking for it. If they get this person a job three months down the line or a couple of years down the line, there's no chance at all of them sending you a cheque out of the blue, even though the finder's name (your's) will be on their database.

10. Once they've got you a job, they may say that they weren't able to get you the rate that you wanted that the client will only pay 5% or 10% less. This is rubbish. They told the company what your rate was initially and the company accepted it. The agency are now just trying to help themselves to an extra bit of commission for a job that is safely in their pockets. Don't fall for it. Tell them that the client can forget it then, and see how quickly the agent changes tack. They don't want to lose surefire money.

There are many good agencies around of course, and the good ones like the dodgy ones even less than you do. They get their industry a bad name, spoil their relationship with contractors, and take their business through unfair means.

Don't let them do it.

Gerry McLaughlin

 
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Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on May 03, 2011, 11:25:08 AM
Let's not forget though that at the end the author says: "There are many good agencies around of course."


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 05, 2011, 02:02:20 PM
Let's not forget though that at the end the author says: "There are many good agencies around of course."

And for every ONE "Good Agency" there are 100,000 Bad/Rogue Agencies -  Bottom feeding off the economy.



Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on May 05, 2011, 03:04:56 PM
That's probably not quite an accurate ratio. 1 - 100,000. I agree their are some bad ones though.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jonathan on May 09, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
That sounds a bit like something he had to say though.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 10, 2011, 08:28:58 AM
Right!  lets get this straightend out.  Nice and clear.

Recruitment agencies.  Most people go and work for a big one like Hays Montrose or a locally successful one.   
They then learn the ropes and tricks and get trained and experienced.
They then team up with a mate, steal the CV database and contact everyone on it after a couple of years saying that you registered with their new firm a while ago and requesting an up to date CV as "they have some really great opportunities for experienced people like you"
They get up to date CV's and away they go.  They are now a recruitment agency!

All over the country 100's of agency employees are setting up in their spare bedrooms calling themselves initials like PRC, ABC, or names like "something" resource,  "something" Options, Team,

So we now have main agency businesses with inexperienced wa*kers working there and small one man operations with hardly any contacts hoping for a placement every couple of months to pay their mortgages.

Neither being any use for the jobhunter!

Whilst I concede that somewhere in the universe is a hard working honest recruitment agency employee who puts the candidates first and only advertises real jobs I find it hard not to laugh til I wet myself writing this


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on May 10, 2011, 10:24:58 PM
I don't necessarily disagree with you but - just for argument's sake - surely these smaller fly by night kind of agencies you speak of must get something done or they wouldn't exist.

Would they? 


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 11, 2011, 11:47:36 AM
One placement every TWO months is around 5k for VERY little work!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on May 11, 2011, 03:37:22 PM
I may be reading you wrong but agencies don't get anywhere near 5K for each placement. My friend worked in one a few months ago and their average was 250 per placement.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 12, 2011, 11:18:35 AM
It depends what agency, what industry and what position is being recruited at what given salary.

In Construction it is around £3k to £5k per placement.

The £250 you mention is probably what the agency gave your mate, not what they actually get!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jason on May 13, 2011, 07:09:20 AM
You're both right, some get 17, or 20% of the salary offered but there are also ones that get 250, that's called flat fee recruitment.  I have no experience of the low priced flat fee recruiters though, I imagine you get what you pay for.r


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on May 16, 2011, 12:14:11 AM
You mean a monkey?  ;D


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 18, 2011, 12:22:55 PM
The flat fee was around 500 to 750 per placing.  It was usually based on exclusivity. 
However now the recession is easing the greedy agencies are back to the percentages game.

By the way the amount of fee wont refelect on the candidates as the employer will employ who they want, not the best of a bad lot.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on May 23, 2011, 01:13:13 PM
I assume in construction people have to be trained and have a certain amount of experience? Which is why I guess the larger fee?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on May 24, 2011, 10:13:07 AM
And we should get larger salaries too! 

But yes, qualifications, training and a great deal of experience too. 
Some dopey bimbo in an agency with a degree in social studies or psychology isn't going to know who is the best candidate as they have NO IDEA what the job entails at all.
They dont even know that Hounslow is  LONDON!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on June 01, 2011, 04:27:57 PM
Job hunting's certainly no fun is it...I'm doing that myself now. Very frustrating.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: paulkelly on June 07, 2011, 01:06:34 PM
I think I've had direct experience of this. I remember being in the job centre a few years ago when I was unemployed and finding lots of jobs advertised on the "system" with a particular recruitment agency. I printed the ones off that I liked the sound of and when I called the agency they were eager for me to go in and register. When I did I was told that there was "nothing at the moment" but they'd be in touch. I assumed this meant that they were advertising fictional jobs purely to get people to register and then hoping to get them into a job later. Not good.

It is about time the JOB CENTRE banned recruitment agencies from using their system. 

well said mate most jobs i go for are from recruitment agencies with job centre plus
waste of time in my eyes or you will get 1 or 2 days work aweek
about 3 weeks ago i was told they have loads of work for me so i signed off
i got 2 days week in 2 weeks WASTE OF TIME


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on June 14, 2011, 04:28:47 PM
Yes mate beware of this. I too am signing on at the moment and I fear that the majority of jobs agencies advertise specifically in the job centres are just made up to try and get us to register with them.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jason on June 15, 2011, 10:45:59 PM
The flat fee was around 500 to 750 per placing.  It was usually based on exclusivity. 
However now the recession is easing the greedy agencies are back to the percentages game.

By the way the amount of fee wont refelect on the candidates as the employer will employ who they want, not the best of a bad lot.

The reason an employer might use a recruiter is because they would hope to get a few hand picked cv's of people who'd been interviewed prior to being put forward.

If you agree to pay 250, 500 or 750 you're probably going to just get loads of unvetted crap cv's, so you may as well have just advertised the vacancy yourself and done the vetting personally.

That's what you expect to avoid by paying someone a few k to do it for you.

Doesn't always work and as a past defender of recruiters I too seem to be losing hope in terms of the service offered these days.

So are there any recruiters reading these boards who'd like to put their neck on the block as it were?  I'm sure I'd do a good job, the thing is, it's not my job!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on June 16, 2011, 04:40:49 PM
What do you do Jason?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jason on June 17, 2011, 06:31:34 AM
Hi Bob

I work for a company that employs temps permanently so they can claim travel expenses to their temporary workplace, it's an Umbrella Company.  So although I don't work as a recruiter I am heavily involved with the recruitment industry.

There are things about the recruitment industry that I like, sometimes there really are good ones out there, but as so often gets talked about here, there's a lot of cowboy, disrespectful, money grabbing people that are attracted to this occupation.

What about you?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on June 27, 2011, 06:35:43 PM
Hi Jason thanks for the message.

I'm currently seeking work.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on June 29, 2011, 09:22:36 AM
Hi Bob

I work for a company that employs temps permanently so they can claim travel expenses to their temporary workplace, it's an Umbrella Company.  So although I don't work as a recruiter I am heavily involved with the recruitment industry.

There are things about the recruitment industry that I like, sometimes there really are good ones out there, but as so often gets talked about here, there's a lot of cowboy, disrespectful, money grabbing people that are attracted to this occupation.

What about you?

Ah the old "Umbrella company" agency scam.  Where you "employ" temps who work for a minimum wage and get paid a "dividend" each week.
The agency and the employer then dont pay any employer's national insurance and the person "temp" probably saves a shed load of PAYE income tax and NI too.
Untill the HMRC catch up with them. 




Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jason on June 30, 2011, 10:59:48 AM
Hi Bob

I work for a company that employs temps permanently so they can claim travel expenses to their temporary workplace, it's an Umbrella Company.  So although I don't work as a recruiter I am heavily involved with the recruitment industry.

There are things about the recruitment industry that I like, sometimes there really are good ones out there, but as so often gets talked about here, there's a lot of cowboy, disrespectful, money grabbing people that are attracted to this occupation.

What about you?

Ah the old "Umbrella company" agency scam.  Where you "employ" temps who work for a minimum wage and get paid a "dividend" each week.
The agency and the employer then dont pay any employer's national insurance and the person "temp" probably saves a shed load of PAYE income tax and NI too.
Untill the HMRC catch up with them. 




Wrong, totally misinformed rubbish.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 04, 2011, 02:37:06 PM
It goes on!   I have seen it with labour I employed on my sites through agencies.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jason on July 04, 2011, 06:54:55 PM
You don't even know what an Umbrella company is, it has nothing to do with dividends.

You may well have recruited some people on some of your sites.  Why didn't you employ them directly?  Did they have a choice?  Were they skilled workers?

You speak from a point of ignorance, and it shows.  There are many who choose to work the way they do and often travel long distances and stay away from home.  It works for those people very well and I don't see why it shouldn't.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 05, 2011, 09:23:04 AM
And you speak from ignorance too!

These people were labourers.  As they they are unreliable and transient.  they never stay in a job for long, don't turn up on time or even at all.
So it suited being able to get rid of them without the hassle and expense that comes with full employment.

I would never employ skilled tradesmen through an agency.  Good ones will always get work if they want it.

Me I am a manager so I am stuck with the bloody agencies although I wont work for one!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on July 08, 2011, 12:46:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLkABxWn8wU


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 08, 2011, 08:35:32 AM
Dreadful song! 

But I get your point!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on July 11, 2011, 01:29:40 AM
It is way cheesy.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 12, 2011, 09:00:10 AM
Once he split with John Lennon and the Beatles he didnt do ANYTHING any good!

He is also so far up his own arse he doesnt know whether to speak or fart!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on July 12, 2011, 03:19:22 PM
I disagree hugely.

Albums:

Chaos and creation in the back yard
Band on the run
Flowers in the dirt
Driving rain

are all great. I agree he was better when with Lennon as Lennon was better with Macca.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jonathan on July 13, 2011, 07:27:12 PM
Yeh i think to say he didn't do ANYTHING good is way over the top.

I like band on the run and jet. And live and let die.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on July 13, 2011, 10:28:29 PM
What about the frog chorus then?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on July 14, 2011, 09:56:26 PM
You mean We All Stand Together (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auCDOERZyE)?

Lol.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 16, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
Jonathan,

You really need to have a listent to 60's Tamla Mowtown.

PMcC and wings are crap!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jonathan on July 18, 2011, 02:55:40 PM
Mowtown I like.

I agree that the majority of Wings' stuff is not great but Band On The Run is a great album. The other albums I mentioned are solo later Macca albums.

Do you really think that the chief songwriting collaborator in The Beatles did NOTHING good afterwards?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on July 18, 2011, 11:05:35 PM
Do you like any new stuff J?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jasper9 on July 19, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
New stuff?  It all seems rubbish to an old bu**er like me.
Lilly Allen, Amy Winehouse, perhaps.

You can keep all that FILLING - LBJ featuring snoop doggie G  garge damnce mix ballard anthem crap.
(by the way I made that up!)


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on July 19, 2011, 11:01:07 PM
I agree with keeping all that stuff. I do like Eminem though since we're on rappers!


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on July 20, 2011, 07:52:24 PM
Eminem. Lol.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on July 20, 2011, 09:34:21 PM
Take That!  ;D


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jonathan on July 22, 2011, 01:13:18 AM
Florence and the machine.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on July 25, 2011, 11:55:43 PM
Why LOL at Eminem?

He's...yes this word...a genius.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on July 26, 2011, 04:25:43 PM
Genius.

Really?

I dunno he's just not my cup of tea.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Bob on July 27, 2011, 04:03:29 PM
Eminem's certainly a clever man. Take Stan for example. Really clever.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on August 01, 2011, 02:32:48 PM
I'm with Malcolm on genius.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on August 02, 2011, 11:49:49 PM
I was questioning the word genius actually.

I'm old and have never really got rap but then I'm hardly the audience its aimed at.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Jonathan on August 04, 2011, 11:02:34 PM
Anybody who made all that money must be genius.


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Gota on August 07, 2011, 02:17:45 AM
I don't know if making money is a sign of genius. Is Bernie Madoff a genius?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Robin Tetley on August 08, 2011, 11:43:29 PM
He would've been if he'd got away with it.

Too soon?


Title: Re: On The Trail Of Rogue Recruiters
Post by: Malcolm on August 09, 2011, 11:33:26 PM
Lol.

"Comedy is tragedy plus time. If it bends it's funny if it breaks it's not funny." - Woody Allen